{"id":13915,"date":"2025-07-13T21:07:29","date_gmt":"2025-07-13T19:07:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/critique\/hans-ulrich-obrist\/"},"modified":"2026-05-21T20:48:04","modified_gmt":"2026-05-21T18:48:04","slug":"hans-ulrich-obrist","status":"publish","type":"critique","link":"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/en\/critique\/hans-ulrich-obrist\/","title":{"rendered":"Hans Ulrich Obrist"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><em>Work No. 168<\/em> d&#8217;Emma Kunz<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center bgred\">In our encounter with a prominent figure from the world of art and culture, we posed a single, straightforward question: Which artwork has marked you deeply and continues to hold meaning in your life and career? A return to the fascination, wonder, unease, or shock that a work of art can awaken in us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"900\" height=\"492\" src=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/couv.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-13562\" srcset=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/couv.jpg 900w, https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/couv-300x164.jpg 300w, https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/couv-768x420.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Work n\u00b0 168, Emma Kunz (d\u00e9tail), \u00a9 Emma Kunz Zentrum<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<div class=\"blockauteur\">\n    <p class=\"mt-3\"  itemprop=\"author\" itemtype=\"http:\/\/schema.org\/Person\">Par Fanny Revault<\/p>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p><strong>When did art first enter our lives? For Hans-Ulrich Obrist\u2014art historian, critic, and curator of exhibitions around the world\u2014it was a drawing by Emma Kunz featured on a box of AION A, the remedy his mother regularly bought at the pharmacy.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>That drawing was always within reach at home. It awakened in him an immediate, intuitive connection to art. From this tender and benevolent relationship with art emerged a deep understanding\u2014one that undoubtedly shaped the clarity and assurance of his eye, propelling him to the pinnacle of the international art world.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Later, he discovered the full breadth of her body of work. Hans-Ulrich Obrist reflects here on the importance of this visionary artist, whose practice seamlessly intertwines art and spirituality. At once an artist, researcher, and healer, Emma Kunz produced more than 350 drawings, all created with the aid of her pendulum. This childhood memory never left him. In 1992, he organized one of the first exhibitions dedicated to her at the Centre Culturel Suisse in Paris, and more recently in 2019 at the Serpentine Galleries, which he has directed since 2016.<\/strong> <strong>Encounter<\/strong>.<br><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"intBlockQR\">\n    <div class=\"intBlockQR__Q\"><p>What was your first encounter with art?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n    <div class=\"intBlockQR__R\"><p>One experience in particular left a deep impression on me during childhood, and I would say it was the work of Emma Kunz. I have always been profoundly transformed by her art. I did not grow up in a Swiss household where art played any significant role. Yet art entered our home thanks to Emma Kunz, because when I was a child, my mother often bought a product called AION A\u2014a remedy that Emma Kunz herself discovered. It is a powder derived from a rock also named AION A, whose healing properties Kunz identified. In many Swiss pharmacies, this product was sold in packaging featuring one of her drawings. It was through AION A that art first entered our house.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<script>\n  $( document ).ready(function() {\n  var pathDirections = {\n  view: 'M155.5,50l-50-50l-5,5l45,45l-45,45l5,5L155.5,50z M0,50l50,50l5-5L10,50L55,5l-5-5L0,50z',\n  exit: 'M55,50L5,0L0,5l45,45L0,95l5,5L55,50z M100.5,50l50,50l5-5l-45-45l45-45l-5-5L100.5,50z',\n};\n\nvar svgURI = 'http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg';\n\nFlickity.FullscreenButton.prototype.createIcon = function() {\n  var svg = document.createElementNS( svgURI, 'svg');\n  svg.setAttribute( 'class', 'flickity-button-icon' );\n  svg.setAttribute( 'viewBox', '0 0 155.5 100' );\n  \/\/ path & direction\n  var path = document.createElementNS( svgURI, 'path');\n  var direction = pathDirections[ this.name ];\n  path.setAttribute( 'd', direction );\n  \/\/ put it together\n  svg.appendChild( path );\n  this.element.appendChild( svg );\n};\n});\n<\/script>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"mb-3\">\n<div class=\"carousel carousel-main invisible  carnum1259355472\" data-flickity='{\"lazyLoad\": 1, \"adaptiveHeight\": true, \"fullscreen\": true, \"imagesLoaded\": true, \"pageDots\": false,\"wrapAround\": true,\"arrowShape\":{\"x0\":10,\"x1\":60,\"y1\":50,\"x2\":65,\"y2\":45,\"x3\":20} }'>\n  \n    <div class=\"carousel-cell is-hidden\">\n      <div>\n      \t<figure>\n        <img itemprop=\"image\"   data-flickity-lazyload-srcset=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/1491404717-1024x635.jpg 720w, https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/1491404717-300x186.jpg 360w\"  sizes=\"(min-width: 1024px) 720px, 360px\"  data-flickity-lazyload-src=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/1491404717-1024x635.jpg\" alt=\"Bo\u00eete d&#039;AION A\u00ae\" \/>\n\n        <figcaption><p class=\"caption\">Bo\u00eete d&#8217;AION A\u00ae<\/p><\/figcaption>        <\/figure>\n      <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"carousel-cell is-hidden\">\n      <div>\n      \t<figure>\n        <img itemprop=\"image\"   data-flickity-lazyload-srcset=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/Capture-decran-2023-05-08-a-16.26.46.jpg 720w, https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/Capture-decran-2023-05-08-a-16.26.46-300x181.jpg 360w\"  sizes=\"(min-width: 1024px) 720px, 360px\"  data-flickity-lazyload-src=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/Capture-decran-2023-05-08-a-16.26.46.jpg\" alt=\"Work n\u00b0 168, Emma Kunz, \u00a9\" \/>\n\n        <figcaption><p class=\"caption\">Work n\u00b0 168, Emma Kunz, \u00a9<\/p><\/figcaption>        <\/figure>\n      <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n<div class=\"carousel carousel-nav\"\n  data-flickity='{ \"imagesLoaded\": true,\"lazyLoad\": true, \"asNavFor\": \".carnum1259355472\", \"contain\": true, \"pageDots\": false, \"prevNextButtons\": false }'>\n            <div class=\"item-thumbnail\">\n        <figure>\n          <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"carousel-cell\" src=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/1491404717-150x150.jpg\" data-flickity-lazyload=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/1491404717-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Thumbnail of http:\/\/Bo\u00eete%20d&#039;AION%20A\u00ae\" \/>\n        <\/figure>\n      <\/div>\n            <div class=\"item-thumbnail\">\n        <figure>\n          <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"carousel-cell\" src=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/Capture-decran-2023-05-08-a-16.26.46-150x150.jpg\" data-flickity-lazyload=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/Capture-decran-2023-05-08-a-16.26.46-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Thumbnail of http:\/\/Work%20n\u00b0%20168,%20Emma%20Kunz,%20\u00a9\" \/>\n        <\/figure>\n      <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<style>\n  .invisible.flickity-enabled {visibility: visible !important}\n  <\/style>\n\n<div class=\"intBlockQR\">\n    <div class=\"intBlockQR__Q\"><p>Your encounter with her drawings left a profound mark on you. All the more so because Emma Kunz was not only an artist\u2014she was also a healer. One senses the full complexity and depth of such a remarkable personality.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n    <div class=\"intBlockQR__R\"><div class=\"intBlockQR\">\n<div class=\"intBlockQR__R\">\n<p>Yes, she was not only an artist but also a healer. She treated people and, among others, cured Anton Meier, the founder of the W\u00fcrenlos center that I came to know. He was paralyzed; she healed him, and it was after that experience that he went on to create the center.<\/p>\n<p>For me, discovering Emma Kunz\u2019s universe was fundamental. One can visit the stone quarry in W\u00fcrenlos, but it is also the place where many of her drawings can be seen.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"mb-3\">\n<div class=\"carousel carousel-main invisible carnum1104334923 flickity-enabled is-draggable\" data-flickity=\"{&quot;lazyLoad&quot;: 1, &quot;adaptiveHeight&quot;: true, &quot;fullscreen&quot;: true, &quot;imagesLoaded&quot;: true, &quot;pageDots&quot;: false,&quot;wrapAround&quot;: true,&quot;arrowShape&quot;:{&quot;x0&quot;:10,&quot;x1&quot;:60,&quot;y1&quot;:50,&quot;x2&quot;:65,&quot;y2&quot;:45,&quot;x3&quot;:20} }\">\n<div class=\"flickity-viewport\">\n<div class=\"flickity-slider\">\n<div class=\"carousel-cell is-hidden is-selected\">\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"carousel-cell is-hidden\" aria-hidden=\"true\">\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><button class=\"flickity-button flickity-prev-next-button previous\" type=\"button\" aria-label=\"Previous\"><\/button><button class=\"flickity-button 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data-flickity-lazyload-srcset=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/csm_emmakunzzentrum_museum_2_ccb6948cdb-1024x678.jpeg 720w, https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/csm_emmakunzzentrum_museum_2_ccb6948cdb-300x199.jpeg 360w\"  sizes=\"(min-width: 1024px) 720px, 360px\"  data-flickity-lazyload-src=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/csm_emmakunzzentrum_museum_2_ccb6948cdb-1024x678.jpeg\" alt=\"Centre Emma Kunz W\u00fcrenlos \u00a9 Emma Kunz Centrum und Steinbruch\" \/>\n\n        <figcaption><p class=\"caption\">Centre Emma Kunz W\u00fcrenlos \u00a9 Emma Kunz Centrum und Steinbruch<\/p><\/figcaption>        <\/figure>\n      <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"carousel-cell is-hidden\">\n      <div>\n      \t<figure>\n        <img itemprop=\"image\"   data-flickity-lazyload-srcset=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/csm_emmakunzzentrum_grotte_1_9e9a37f3ee-1024x678.jpeg 720w, 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lifetime?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n    <div class=\"intBlockQR__R\"><p>She produced around four hundred drawings over the course of her life, each one possessing an extraordinary intensity. Her works on paper are executed in pencil as well as colored pencils. They are very large-format pieces. She also worked with oil pastels, of which she created about thirty.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<script>\n  $( document ).ready(function() {\n  var pathDirections = {\n  view: 'M155.5,50l-50-50l-5,5l45,45l-45,45l5,5L155.5,50z M0,50l50,50l5-5L10,50L55,5l-5-5L0,50z',\n  exit: 'M55,50L5,0L0,5l45,45L0,95l5,5L55,50z M100.5,50l50,50l5-5l-45-45l45-45l-5-5L100.5,50z',\n};\n\nvar svgURI = 'http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg';\n\nFlickity.FullscreenButton.prototype.createIcon = function() {\n  var svg = document.createElementNS( svgURI, 'svg');\n  svg.setAttribute( 'class', 'flickity-button-icon' );\n  svg.setAttribute( 'viewBox', '0 0 155.5 100' );\n  \/\/ path & direction\n  var path = document.createElementNS( svgURI, 'path');\n  var direction = pathDirections[ this.name ];\n  path.setAttribute( 'd', direction );\n  \/\/ put it together\n  svg.appendChild( path );\n  this.element.appendChild( svg );\n};\n});\n<\/script>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"mb-3\">\n<div class=\"carousel carousel-main invisible  carnum17524832\" data-flickity='{\"lazyLoad\": 1, \"adaptiveHeight\": true, \"fullscreen\": true, \"imagesLoaded\": true, \"pageDots\": false,\"wrapAround\": true,\"arrowShape\":{\"x0\":10,\"x1\":60,\"y1\":50,\"x2\":65,\"y2\":45,\"x3\":20} }'>\n  \n    <div class=\"carousel-cell is-hidden\">\n      <div>\n      \t<figure>\n        <img itemprop=\"image\"   data-flickity-lazyload-srcset=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/003_0-1-1001x1001-1.jpg 720w, https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/003_0-1-1001x1001-1-300x177.jpg 360w\"  sizes=\"(min-width: 1024px) 720px, 360px\"  data-flickity-lazyload-src=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/003_0-1-1001x1001-1.jpg\" alt=\"Work n\u00b0 168, Emma Kunz, \u00a9 Emma Kunz Zentrum\" \/>\n\n        <figcaption><p class=\"caption\">Work n\u00b0 168, Emma Kunz, \u00a9 Emma Kunz Zentrum<\/p><\/figcaption>        <\/figure>\n      <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n    <div class=\"carousel-cell is-hidden\">\n      <div>\n      \t<figure>\n        <img itemprop=\"image\"   data-flickity-lazyload-srcset=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/013-press-page-998x1001-1.jpg 720w, https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/013-press-page-998x1001-1-300x177.jpg 360w\"  sizes=\"(min-width: 1024px) 720px, 360px\"  data-flickity-lazyload-src=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/013-press-page-998x1001-1.jpg\" alt=\"Work n\u00b0 013, Emma Kunz, \u00a9 Emma Kunz Zentrum\" \/>\n\n        <figcaption><p class=\"caption\">Work n\u00b0 013, Emma Kunz, \u00a9 Emma Kunz Zentrum<\/p><\/figcaption>        <\/figure>\n      <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n\n<div class=\"carousel carousel-nav\"\n  data-flickity='{ \"imagesLoaded\": true,\"lazyLoad\": true, \"asNavFor\": \".carnum17524832\", \"contain\": true, \"pageDots\": false, \"prevNextButtons\": false }'>\n            <div class=\"item-thumbnail\">\n        <figure>\n          <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"carousel-cell\" src=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/003_0-1-1001x1001-1-150x150.jpg\" data-flickity-lazyload=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/003_0-1-1001x1001-1-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Thumbnail of http:\/\/Work%20n\u00b0%20168,%20Emma%20Kunz,%20\u00a9%20Emma%20Kunz%20Zentrum\" \/>\n        <\/figure>\n      <\/div>\n            <div class=\"item-thumbnail\">\n        <figure>\n          <img decoding=\"async\" class=\"carousel-cell\" src=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/013-press-page-998x1001-1-150x150.jpg\" data-flickity-lazyload=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/013-press-page-998x1001-1-150x150.jpg\" alt=\"Thumbnail of http:\/\/Work%20n\u00b0%20013,%20Emma%20Kunz,%20\u00a9%20Emma%20Kunz%20Zentrum\" \/>\n        <\/figure>\n      <\/div>\n        <\/div>\n<\/div>\n<style>\n  .invisible.flickity-enabled {visibility: visible !important}\n  <\/style>\n\n<div class=\"intBlockQR\">\n    <div class=\"intBlockQR__Q\"><p>In your book, you write: \u201cOn the AION A packaging there was a drawing by Emma Kunz, and that work is truly fundamental to my understanding of the relationship between art and spirituality.\u201d How do you perceive the spiritual dimension in her drawings?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n    <div class=\"intBlockQR__R\"><p>Yes, there is a connection between spirituality and abstraction in her work. But it goes far beyond that. In reality, her drawings possess a multidimensional quality. One perceives all these dimensions at once. Emma Kunz herself compared her drawings to holograms. She created them with the aid of a pendulum; it was a ritual.<\/p>\n<p>The German-Korean philosopher and writer Byung-Chul Han, who lives in Berlin, has written a book precisely on this idea: we live in an age of communication, yet one often marked by the disappearance of rituals. I believe this is very important. As Tarkovsky said, \u201cWe must revisit and reinvent rituals for the twenty-first century.\u201d I think Emma Kunz can help us do exactly that\u2014along with her entire body of work.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"641\" src=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/012_-_press_page-940x1001-1-1024x641.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-13552\" srcset=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/012_-_press_page-940x1001-1-1024x641.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/012_-_press_page-940x1001-1-300x188.jpg 300w, https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/012_-_press_page-940x1001-1-768x480.jpg 768w, https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/012_-_press_page-940x1001-1.jpg 1250w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Work n\u00b0 012, Emma Kunz, \u00a9 Emma Kunz Zentrum<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<div class=\"intBlockQR\">\n    <div class=\"intBlockQR__Q\"><p>Could you tell us more about the ritual dimension of her work?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n    <div class=\"intBlockQR__R\"><p>She would work for hours on end, often without sleeping. She believed that the intensity of this process could have an impact on the course of history. One day during the Second World War, she created a drawing with the hope that working with such great intensity might bring about Hitler\u2019s disappearance. She truly believed in this. Using her pendulum, she drew with such force that she would not sleep until the work was complete.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"624\" src=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/10957402-1024x624.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-13556\" srcset=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/10957402-1024x624.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/10957402-300x183.jpg 300w, https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/10957402-768x468.jpg 768w, https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/10957402-1536x936.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/artinterview.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/10957402.jpg 1800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Emma Kunz at her worktable in Waldstatt, surrounded by her artworks. Photograph by Werner Schoch, 1958 (Staatsarchiv Appenzell, H\u00e9risau).<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<div class=\"intBlockQR\">\n    <div class=\"intBlockQR__Q\"><div class=\"intBlockQR__Q\">\n<p>Emma Kunz transcends disciplinary boundaries\u2026 Artist, medium, and healer, she engages a vast field that encompasses multiple disciplines.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"intBlockQR__R\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n    <div class=\"intBlockQR__R\"><p>Yes, Emma also saw herself as a scientist. I believe the physicist C.P. Snow, in a sense, highlighted this divide between the humanities and the sciences: the arts on one side, science on the other. He argued that we needed a bridge to overcome this dichotomy. We should not remain trapped in this binary thinking, but instead create a third space of encounter.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n<div class=\"intBlockQR\">\n    <div class=\"intBlockQR__Q\"><p>How has Emma Kunz\u2019s work accompanied you throughout your international curatorial career?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n    <div class=\"intBlockQR__R\"><p>From my childhood onward, I have been fascinated by her work, and Emma Kunz has, in a sense, accompanied my entire life as a curator and museum director. It was also the subject of my first institutional exhibition, which I organized in 1992. I was invited as guest curator by the Centre Culturel Suisse on rue des Francs-Bourgeois in Paris. Together with Bice Curiger, we mounted an exhibition that explored Emma Kunz\u2019s influence on contemporary art and on today\u2019s artists\u2014from Alighiero Boetti to Bethan Huws, by way of Fr\u00e9d\u00e9ric Bruly Bouabr\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p>Then, once again at the Serpentine in 2006, I went to London and, in that park, we organized a major retrospective of Emma Kunz. The exhibition was realized in collaboration with the artist Christodoulos Panayiotou, who designed the furniture. Instead of sitting on ordinary chairs as we do now, visitors sat on chairs made of stone\u2014crafted from that very rock. 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Who might you compare her to?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n    <div class=\"intBlockQR__R\"><p>I believe that today\u2019s renewed interest in figures such as Hildegard of Bingen\u2014one of the greatest composers of the Middle Ages, as well as an extraordinary writer, healer, and nun\u2014is highly relevant in this context. A whole new generation is also rediscovering works like those of Emma Kunz.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=l8jbXis5RJU\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Watch the interview with Hans-Ulrich Obrist here<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Traduction anglaise par Ali Max MATHIS. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"featured_media":13563,"template":"","class_list":["post-13915","critique","type-critique","status-publish","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","categorie_crit-autour-d-une-oeuvre","categorie_crit-peinture"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.8 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Hans Ulrich Obrist - Art Interview<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/artinterview.com\/en\/critique\/hans-ulrich-obrist\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Hans Ulrich Obrist - Art Interview\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Work No. 168 d&#8217;Emma Kunz In our encounter with a prominent figure from the world of art and culture, we posed a single, straightforward question: Which artwork has marked you deeply and continues to hold meaning in your life and career? 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